Todd Cordell: Moving up: potential 1st round picks the Calgary Flames could target

Fun to sepculate, though I doubt the Flames actually swing a deal to move back into the first, unless they feel Valimaki and Anderson are locks to make the team next year.

Could be proven wrong, but I think they take this year on the chin and just move forward through FA

Really think theirs a deal between Calgary and Toronto to be made.

Yep me too.

I would rather CGY use whatever assets they’re planning on using to get scoring help and maybe get a 2nd and 3rd.

I think the Flames should seriously consider (if the trade makes sense) moving any or all of:

1. Brodie (for an established NHL right winger, and/or a first round pick+). Brodie had a tough season last year, but at 4.6 mil, and 40+ points, pretty tough for any team to find a Dman like that without having to pay for it. Could be part of a package with A. Fox for a significant return. Andersson is ready to play second pairing minutes next season, hopefully with Kulak, then move Hamonic onto the 3rd pairing with Stone, or Wotherspoon, or Valimaki, or a FreeAgent signing.

2. Frolik: due to his contract and lack of offensive production, might be tough to move him, but Frolik is still a decent hockey player; however, Calgary could replace him with Mangiapane or Foo. A third round pick would be sufficient payback for Frolik. Then giving Calgary more cap space to go after a free agent like VanRiemsdyk, or to acquire a big contract who is a good player (like Ryan O'Reilly).

3. Stone: A team might be willing to give him a shot on their third pairing - a 3rd or even 4th rounder would be fine. I'd like the flames to give Tyler Wotherspoon, Andersson, and Valimaki a shot at making the team. If Stone and Brodie are still in Calgary at training camp, that won't happen.

4. Gaudreau: Crazy, but if I were Treliving, I'd listen. JohnnyHockey is a fantastic hockey talent with a nice contract and fills seats, which in Calgary's hockey mad market isn't really a necessity . A team having problems filling seats could use Johnny's marketability to fill more seats and get a great player. That said, how much would they pay for someone like him? Why not listen Treliving? Ottawa, Carolina, NYI, Florida - small market teams (NYI small because the Rangers dominate there, and their situation is volatile) who need a Johnny Hockey presence to make their team more sellable to fans??
Get a few bluechip prospects/picks, and one strong established player back? Why not?

5. Adam Fox: If a team is willing to give their first round pick (at any point from #10 to 25) for Fox, why not? He's good, and further along in his development, but with Valimaki and Andersson, and the chance he decides to become a free agent in two years... I'd move him for a first rounder if the chance is there. He's as good or better than a Dman available at those picks... probably.) It's a gamble to move him, but depending on the relationship, maybe more of a gamble to not move him.

Fun to sepculate, though I doubt the Flames actually swing a deal to move back into the first, unless they feel Valimaki and Anderson are locks to make the team next year.

Could be proven wrong, but I think they take this year on the chin and just move forward through FA
- rmull905

Tre was heard saying that after the 7th or 8th pick the drop is big & all over the map. Basically you are throwing the same dart from 9th to 50th. Don't think the motivation is that big to trade back in a predominantly defensive draft pool. They want a forward.
Cant see them trading Andersson or any other NHL ready D prospect either & not sure why Todd would say Hamilton's value is low & he wouldn't even get the 4th over all pick without adding. That's just plain batcrap crazy. Our 4th over all pick right now is a 3rd line player. No GM would relinquish a top pairing RHD for just the 4th overall. Add Stone to that 4th overall & then it gets interesting.

Tre was also heard saying he wasn't looking at trading any of the top 4 D either. But I would take that with a grain of salt.

. Leafs have #25 pick which is a lot higher than what the Flames have.

Keep it unless if you are giving it away for free

Yep me too.

I would rather CGY use whatever assets they’re planning on using to get scoring help and maybe get a 2nd and 3rd.
- TandA4Flames

How does that make any sense? A couple players bounce back next year and they're easily contenders for the division. Why trade assets for picks that are likely going to be AHL players?

Trading Andersson for a top 40ish pick is really the only move that makes a lot of sense concerning draft picks this year.

If nothing else, firing Gulutzan shows that the team is very much in win now mode.

@ Bunkulese
Did you miss the part where I said “scoring help and...”. And nowhere did I say trade prospects. I wouldn’t trade Andersson either. Which, you for some reason, think is brilliant.
You need to work on your poopty attitude and negativity.

How does that make any sense? A couple players bounce back next year and they're easily contenders for the division. Why trade assets for picks that are likely going to be AHL players?

Trading Andersson for a top 40ish pick is really the only move that makes a lot of sense concerning draft picks this year.

If nothing else, firing Gulutzan shows that the team is very much in win now mode.
- Hunkulese

You need to explain the logic of trading a young promising Defence man that we took 53rd overall, spent the last few years developing him in the AHL to the point where he is deemed NHL ready & trade him for a late first round early 2nd round pick, just to draft another young player & develop for the next 3 years? Thats insane. Also, if the team feels the draft from mid 1st round to mid 2nd round is pretty comparable in the calibre of prospect you get, we have no need to get back in the 1st round.
Now if we traded TJ Brodie for a winger like Kapanen & Toronto's 25th pick, well I would be disappointed but ok with the deal. At least we address a need.

How does that make any sense? A couple players bounce back next year and they're easily contenders for the division. Why trade assets for picks that are likely going to be AHL players?

Trading Andersson for a top 40ish pick is really the only move that makes a lot of sense concerning draft picks this year.

If nothing else, firing Gulutzan shows that the team is very much in win now mode.
- Hunkulese

You fcked in the head dude!

You need to explain the logic of trading a young promising Defence man that we took 53rd overall, spent the last few years developing him in the AHL to the point where he is deemed NHL ready & trade him for a late first round early 2nd round pick, just to draft another young player & develop for the next 3 years? Thats insane. Also, if the team feels the draft from mid 1st round to mid 2nd round is pretty comparable in the calibre of prospect you get, we have no need to get back in the 1st round.
Now if we traded TJ Brodie for a winger like Kapanen & Toronto's 25th pick, well I would be disappointed but ok with the deal. At least we address a need.
- Kevin R

Id love to see us move brodie, for a 1st and a pick. Only way id move Hamilton is if we get Green or Carlson in FA, and that be after draft day and if the othe team over pays alot. I think there is a good chance we pick up one of the following. John Tavares,JVR,Kane,Kovachuck( this is a player i think we can get cheap if we give term) Neal, or Riley Nash. If we can get one or 2 of these players we be back on right track. If not one FA and trade for a young forward that has high speed and skill. This is gonna be such a fun time to watch and see where we go till season starts.i think Flames in a good position to get some high end skill in.

Id love to see us move brodie, for a 1st and a pick. Only way id move Hamilton is if we get Green or Carlson in FA, and that be after draft day and if the othe team over pays alot. I think there is a good chance we pick up one of the following. John Tavares,JVR,Kane,Kovachuck( this is a player i think we can get cheap if we give term) Neal, or Riley Nash. If we can get one or 2 of these players we be back on right track. If not one FA and trade for a young forward that has high speed and skill. This is gonna be such a fun time to watch and see where we go till season starts.i think Flames in a good position to get some high end skill in.
- Cgy pucking to the beat

Like most of what you're saying but it's an absolute no to Green!

Id love to see us move brodie, for a 1st and a pick. Only way id move Hamilton is if we get Green or Carlson in FA, and that be after draft day and if the othe team over pays alot. I think there is a good chance we pick up one of the following. John Tavares,JVR,Kane,Kovachuck( this is a player i think we can get cheap if we give term) Neal, or Riley Nash. If we can get one or 2 of these players we be back on right track. If not one FA and trade for a young forward that has high speed and skill. This is gonna be such a fun time to watch and see where we go till season starts.i think Flames in a good position to get some high end skill in.
- Cgy pucking to the beat

15 players signed to next year with 12-19 million (if cap goes up) to sign players. Extremely unlikely to get Tavares. I don’t need to tell you what he’ll want his contract to be.
Dismantling your team for one player is a bad idea

15 players signed to next year with 12-19 million (if cap goes up) to sign players. Extremely unlikely to get Tavares. I don’t need to tell you what he’ll want his contract to be.
Dismantling your team for one player is a bad idea
- KINGS67

Highly doubt he would come to Cow town anyway...

Highly doubt he would come to Cow town anyway...
- Clyde334

Oh i get he be a tough sign. With that said a player like that every team would make room. We do have cap space to sign one or two players easy, depending on how much cap space we could package players with term and cash on tabe with B level prospects if we had to.

Highly doubt he would come to Cow town anyway...
- Clyde334

Eh. I mean if they didn’t have to dismantle their team to get him I wouldn’t say out of reach. But yes you are right. I think he’ll stay in NY whether it’s NYI or NYR.

You need to explain the logic of trading a young promising Defence man that we took 53rd overall, spent the last few years developing him in the AHL to the point where he is deemed NHL ready & trade him for a late first round early 2nd round pick, just to draft another young player & develop for the next 3 years? Thats insane. Also, if the team feels the draft from mid 1st round to mid 2nd round is pretty comparable in the calibre of prospect you get, we have no need to get back in the 1st round.
Now if we traded TJ Brodie for a winger like Kapanen & Toronto's 25th pick, well I would be disappointed but ok with the deal. At least we address a need.
- Kevin R

It's hilarious how clueless you are. Trading Andersson for a late first early second is insane, but then you suggest trading Brodie, who is far more valuable to the Flames than Andersson for at least the next couple years, for a late round first pick. And what need does Kapanen address? They need an established scorer. Kapanen has 10 career points and had fewer points per game last year than Brouwer.

If the team wants to complete next year, trading Andersson makes the most sense. He's not an immediate upgrade over anyone currently on the team besides Kulak. Going forward it's highly unlikely that he'll be better than Valimaki, and he's probably not going to be better than Fox.

If there's a player they like around the end of the first round, it could make sense to trade Andersson.

Tavares wont sign with the Rangers. He’s not the type to kick his fans in the teeth.
My guess is San Jose.

It's hilarious how clueless you are. Trading Andersson for a late first early second is insane, but then you suggest trading Brodie, who is far more valuable to the Flames than Andersson for at least the next couple years, for a late round first pick. And what need does Kapanen address? They need an established scorer. Kapanen has 10 career points and had fewer points per game last year than Brouwer.

If the team wants to complete next year, trading Andersson makes the most sense. He's not an immediate upgrade over anyone currently on the team besides Kulak. Going forward it's highly unlikely that he'll be better than Valimaki, and he's probably not going to be better than Fox.

If there's a player they like around the end of the first round, it could make sense to trade Andersson.
- Hunkulese

You should probably take a look in the mirror bro. The only way to remain competitive in a cap league is to keep moving out high priced vets and replace them with cost effective 1st or 2nd contracted players. That’s why moving an NHL ready Andersson is a “clueless” suggestion.
I agree that Kapanen isn’t an immediate upgrade on RW (but he could be) but he is a skilled guy that could grow on the 3rd line with Janko and Bennett. And on the 3rd line he’s an upgrade over Hathaway, Lazar and Brouwer basedbon skill set.
And how do you figure that Kulak is the only guy Andersson is better than. He should replace Stone. He’s a right shot and at worst it’s a lateral move. And you’re completely guessing if he’ll be worse than Vali or Fox (if he even signs here).

Tavares wont sign with the Rangers. He’s not the type to kick his fans in the teeth.
My guess is San Jose.
- TandA4Flames

I'd hate to see that. It'd just put the Flames farther back in the chase for the Pacific title.

Tavares wont sign with the Rangers. He’s not the type to kick his fans in the teeth.
My guess is San Jose.
- TandA4Flames

Or Vegas. They have a ton of cap space.

You should probably take a look in the mirror bro. The only way to remain competitive in a cap league is to keep moving out high priced vets and replace them with cost effective 1st or 2nd contracted players. That’s why moving an NHL ready Andersson is a “clueless” suggestion.
I agree that Kapanen isn’t an immediate upgrade on RW (but he could be) but he is a skilled guy that could grow on the 3rd line with Janko and Bennett. And on the 3rd line he’s an upgrade over Hathaway, Lazar and Brouwer basedbon skill set.
And how do you figure that Kulak is the only guy Andersson is better than. He should replace Stone. He’s a right shot and at worst it’s a lateral move. And you’re completely guessing if he’ll be worse than Vali or Fox (if he even signs here).
- TandA4Flames

Brodie has a cap hit of 4.65 million. That's not high priced at all..